ENM 40

Submitted by dragonlance on Fri, 03/10/2006 - 18:27.

You need to trade a florid stone to the mith at the front desk in the Tensho. in Lower Jeuno in order to get key item: astral cov.
(just incase you didn't know)

With Tam's response...

Submitted by cyclonus on Fri, 03/10/2006 - 03:37.

I think we need one more person...

Wellllll.....

Submitted by Tamara on Sat, 03/11/2006 - 05:43.

I still need to beat the Ant Lion and climb the mountain.

My Apology

Submitted by Tamara on Wed, 03/08/2006 - 23:30.

My apologies, Cyclonus, I did not realize this was a level 40 cap. As a general rule I would be happy to help you out as a level 40 capped WHM - just let me get some mitts off the calendar (like Carby and AF) and then I should have wide availability.

I gather I need to get through CoP 4-1? I am on the Ant Lion/Hill Climb at the moment.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/bestiary.html?fmob=3660

Says WHM needs to bring ERASE and HASTE for the Ninja - I have both.

ENM

Submitted by dragonlance on Wed, 03/08/2006 - 17:11.

I would be up to do this enm. Might i also suggest there are some really good enm's in mon. linch. (It becomes really easy to get there if everyone has Riv. Site B access as you only need 1 scale)

I would also like to say that even though this is by no means a def. exp party that will run weekly ( that i know of )

The exp and some of the drops ( woodsman ring, reverand sash, ...) are by no means crap. It's something to think about, not only do we get to kill stuff together and get exp but also some really nice gear as well.

The most common thing i have heard of:
1. (get a balanced PT together) (review strats for both enms)
2. Go to Riv. Site B - get to mon. linch. ( 15min travel )
3. Do ENM there (Bad seed) http://ffxi.somepage.com/zonedb/137
4. Tele-vahzl
5. Beaucedine Glacier - Pso'xja ( 15 min travel time )
6. Pso'xja - The Shrounded Maw ( time = ? )
7. Do ENM

I suggest this to you because if 6 ppl are willing to travel to The shrounded maw then you probably also don't have a problem ( chapter wise ) getting to Mon. Linch.

The only down side that i can think of is the have Riv. B access is you need COP 4-1 and 1 giant scale and Shrounded Maw you need 1 florid stone per person; ( turns into key item )

FYI: If those 6 ppl took 1 hr of farming at any point. You could prob get 4-6 scales. (enough for 4-6 runs) ( Mon. Linch ONLY )

FYI: Mon. Linch can also be accessed though Riv. Site A as well, just 2 scales are required.

Bad Seed

Submitted by Milotheshort on Wed, 03/08/2006 - 19:29.

i'd recommend taking a DRG/(melee) to test the elemental structure of this MOB... if you haven't seen my notes on Identifying Magic properties of mobs, i'd suggest rooting around and reading them... save yourself the heart ache that this MOB potential brings, when your Mage hits 30% MP and is now discovering the EM weakness... thats all i got to say about that one.

Bad Seed

Submitted by dragonlance on Fri, 03/10/2006 - 01:49.

Easy why to determine this is to bring 2 ppl with nin, even if they have nin sub it should still work cause they can go around the elemental wheel. And then you have a blm. Therefor you have 3 ppl that can test the elemental wheel. :)

Oh yeah....he also has a super blaze spikes that cannot be dispelled and you just have to wait it out. Easy solution Rng/nin , Sam/rng, and Blm/who cares attack it while it have Blaze spikes up.

If this battle entrigues you so, then I suggest you read this as this is where i got a lot of my info from.
http://www.spielmansmog.com/guides/enm40.php

A lot of other good info is there. :)

Um...the one thing i don't understand is why you suggest bringing drg to this fight.
Best setup i would think would be
Nin/War
Rng/Nin
Whm/Blm
Blm/Whm
Melee job with ranged (sam/rng)
Melee job with ranged ( war, thf, rng, sam, drk ) ( anything with ranged and high dmg output ) (smn/whm also works)

eh that works

Submitted by Milotheshort on Sat, 03/11/2006 - 06:47.

my method is faster and you don't fill a slot with another nin... besides most nin don't like to work with blm... i've had nin decide it was a good idea to keep spamming while i was casting only to hit the one opposed to my spell. bah!!! NIN is overrated and over used.
PLD/WAR
SAM/THF
DRG/WAR
BLM/WHM
BRD/WHM (SMN/WHM)
RDM/BLM
not saying the nin wheel is ineffective go read my notes i posted on bcnm 60 about drg and blm i've tested it... i'm sick of partying with uninspired parties. lol most of the time i frankly get board... i'd sup smn if i didn't hate it so bad hahaha.

{SE} {Can I have it?} {Ninja} {Nerf} {Yes please}
-> maybe it'd force ppl to stop subbing nin for every god damn job ><
I SAW A BLM/NIN WTF -> GO AWAY NOOB!!!!

UM....Read the link for further info

Submitted by dragonlance on Sat, 03/11/2006 - 14:53.

Um....when you say "my method" you talk like you have done this enm before. If you have can you post your whole experience from start to end.

However I think that your PT setup has big holes in it.
Read below links for more information:
http://www.spielmansmog.com/guides/enm40.php
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/quests.html?fquest=596
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/bestiary.html?fmob=3510

If you were to ask me what your PT set up lacks,it is a way to take down the "phalanx" effect he has effective without wasting a ton of magic. And also you do nothing to damage it when it has "super blaze spikes" on? Ranged Attack yes please.

umm... look again

Submitted by Milotheshort on Sat, 03/11/2006 - 21:52.

brd's have magic finaly that doesn't use magic... rdm have dispel and a smn instead now with the ability to buff phalanx -> blink-> stoneskin-> party "this will reduce his effectiveness to near zero.

That wasn't the party i have taken for this either its my hypothetical ideal party.... here is why

PLD-> is a tank not a pseudo-tank... most ppl prefer the ideas of nin tank the problem is three fold: 1. nin first patch nerf -> emnity drop off during utsumi recaster-> this causes them to have to dedicate more time to tools which have a nasty habit of gimping blm dmg pool... 2: soft bodies unless they set up a vitality macro while recasting utsumi they are expossed and often take huge dmg... 3:NON-Effective 2-hr i don't care who you are there 2-hr is relitivly pointless in a non DD role... tank dies party dies simple enough. I'd rather not have a gimped tank -> pld abilities adn roles far out weigh those of a nin in non-exp parties. DRG/(melee) if you read my noted it'll take a drg 3 sec to find the elemntal weakness and there is no second guessing here... being a blm i fully understand that spells that the mob might be weak too can get resisted down to dirt dmg.

BArdic preferances in this party -> bard songs work like blm dot's the number available at any given time is two when one is put up the last casted is burned off... with a capable brd he can spot trouble areas and buff accordingly... too much magic wasted hmm try this on for size.... a brd 2-hr plus both ballads = 6 per 3 sec + a rdm song for 100+ mp over several minutes i doubt you'll run out of mp... if you don't have a rdm juice effects will fill that spot nicely too...

EXAMPLE: PSO j'XO cap 50
-> some zm mission of CoP i don't recall
most tonberries in this map con IT++ to melees

Party set up->
BLM x2
RDM x1
SMN x1
PLD x1
WHM x1

looking at it this should never work right? to heavily reliant on magic right?

Tatics employed: Pld hate control -> RDM Refresh -> Whm -> heal primary buffs -> smn secondary dmg reduction buffs-> BLM -> DD
it worked so beutifully it made me almost cry...
Especialy after the BLM fell asleep at keyboard 3 rooms from finish
and the rest of the rooms where cleared by 5 "Mages" all whom where dragging on little to no sleep...

I guess my whole argument the entiretime i've been on this linkshell is experiment with new ideas... don't become stagnet players following perpetial logic that there is only one way to do something. I truly am not on here to start fights, i try to provide opertunities for you to think of something outa the box...

In short (pun intended) i'm not saying your method won't work... but if your willing to test my methods don't condem them as falsities.

-> common misconceptions we have drawn in this game. Nin were ment to be tanks... no they weren't look at SE's release nots they were ment to be dd's sam's were intended to be tank's... does this mean they can't be tanks? not at all a skilled play i could imagine could use a blm to tank... however this wouldn't be economical. Why do only bst tend to take advatage of soloing... duoing... trioing... for exp? Why are static regions used for exp like the CN or VD??? instead of garliage and CN for mid 30's go to behemoth's domain i'm sure you'll be far more impressed with the exp off the bats than the length kills required at the other locals. Try a party of 5 sometime... the exp can be really good with less ppl to cut into it... Try different foods... new abilities... i've been playing sam lately and have been suprised with my bow skill... Have you ever seen a whm/nin and rdm nin duo for exp i have... actual looked pretty fun. Why do bone parties, mana burns, axe burns, tp burns exist? because someone said hey i'm bored with always being in a party with a 3:3 ratio. Experiment... enjoy... ^^ if i was so lvl hungry i'd have 4 or 5 jobs at 75... i enjoy what i cal "Play time" with my blm... i go out with wierd subs and do stuff and see how it works etc... its how i basically provide the conditions with the drg and discovering un-know elemtal types. ehhh what ever... once again not saying your wrong however not saying your right... ttyl